Boondocking Tips for Entegra Owners (Quartzsite)
Update: December 28, 2017
If you have never been to Quartzsite before, the Arriving at Quartzsite Dashcam Video might be of interest.
Also first timers may want to check out the blog post of our first long term boondocking experience at Quartzsite 2017.
Definition of Boondocking – completely self contained and completely off the grid, no hookups for water, sewer or electricity. Examples of locations where you must boondock include Walmart parking lots, Harvest Hosts participants and staying on BLM land such as in Quartzsite, AZ.
Boondocking in an Entegra, is not much different from boondocking in any other brand or type of RV but there are a few specifics that might be useful to know. In particular, the Entegra Aspire & Insignia models with the smaller battery capacity can be somewhat more challenging compared to the Anthem & Cornerstone, but the Aspire/Insignia also have some advantages like the water conserving manual flush toilet in the bath and a half models. (Note: 2018 and newer Aspire/Insignia with the larger house battery bank option will have the same capacity as the Anthem/Cornerstone).
Here we have put together an electrical boondocking summary for all coaches and we specifically address how to deal with the smaller battery bank on the Aspire/Insignia. We also present several non electrical related tips and ideas that will apply to helping any rig conserve and enjoy an extended boondocking experience.
Our experience involves living full time aboard a 2006 Fleetwood Discovery for 2 years, a 2013 Aspire RBQ for 3-1/2 years and since 10/2016 we now live full time on our 2017 Aspire 44B. We don’t boondock the majority of the time because we like our creature comforts and conveniences, but we have done it enough to get to know each of our rigs unique personality. We also have been cruising sailors for for about 4 decades and when away from the dock (which we do for weeks at a time) practice many of the same power and water conservation procedures described below.
Let’s start with the battery capacity as this will be the biggest challenge, especially for pre-2018 Aspires and Insignias.
A stock Aspire/Insignia, of any year up to and including 2017, comes with half the battery capacity of the Anthem & Cornerstone (note, in 2018 an option became available on the Aspire/Insignia to expand the house battery capacity to be the same as the Anthem & Cornerstone). This is a non issue if you never boondock, however it creates some special considerations when you do want to boondock. Boondocking overnight is generally not a problem, but boondocking for several consecutive days tends to have a cumulative effect and will require a bit more insight and planning.
So the simple fix for an Aspire/Insignia would seem to be just running the generator more often. One could probably surmise it will need to be run twice as often [as an Anthem or CS] since we have half the battery capacity and consume power at a similar rate. That sounds not too bad – that is until the generator kicks in at 3AM waking you from a nice sound sleep in a most inelegant manner. Also, sometimes it is not permissible or feasible to run the generator when you need to run it, for example during quiet hours imposed by most federal and state parks. It is my understanding that the official quiet hours on the BLM land at are 10PM-6AM, an 8 hour period. However, this may not be enforced within the Entegra group at Quartzsite.
Amp-Hours and Battery Capacity Summary:
Bottom line is on a pre-2018 stock Aspire/Insignia you will probably only get at best 5-6 hours of of battery usage between generator runs unless you can significantly reduce consumption.
What follows is how I came up with the above number, but it is also based on experience, so feel free to skip the techie talk and move on to the next section. The below info involves a lot of estimating and each coach will be different both in usage patterns of the owners and equipment condition such as battery age and possible previous battery damage.
I’ll try to be as non technical as possible but there is one technical term I want to get you familiar with; amp-hours. Don’t worry too much about what it actually means, I will use this to describe how much power we have stored in the batteries and how much each of the systems on our coach consumes. Once you are familiar with what you have available for amp-hours and then realize how much you use, the picture will start to come into focus. Also if you are thinking of solar down the road, understanding what you consume for power will help clarify what kind of solar installation would be required to meet your needs.
All Aspire/Insignias (except 2018 and newer with the battery expansion option) will have more or less about 400 amp-hours of battery capacity when they are new (the 2017 Aspire/Insignia came with batteries that have a 390 amp-hour capacity). As a general rule, to help prolong battery life (and reduce generator run times), we don’t want to drain the batteries below 50% of their capacity (this is also known as Depth of Discharge or DoD). So that leaves about 200 amp-hours (400 on the Anthem/CS) for us to use – that is, IF the batteries are new and were fully charged to begin with! They may be close to fully charged when you arrive at your boondocking site (or may not), but after the first generator run cycle they surely won’t be. The generator would need to run almost constantly to “fully” charge the batteries and 80% charged is a more realistic objective. So taking that 80% into account, between generator runs you may only have about 150-160 amp-hours of “safe to use” power (310-320 on an Anthem/CS).
Now, based on measurements I and other owners have observed, our Entegra’s consume on average about 25 amps/hour or more when all systems are running normally. This will vary based on owner habits, but in theory that means a fully charged Aspire/Insignia battery bank will at best give us about 8 hours before it’s time to start up the genset (16 hours for an Anthem/CS). Assuming though we normally only get to 80% charged (it may be less), the next cycle will only last about 6 hours (12 hours for an Anthem/CS).
That’s all in theory, it gets a bit worse. We have not accounted for things like temperature, battery age, other inefficiencies and something called Puekert’s Law. Basically what it says is the faster you discharge a lead acid battery the lower its capacity becomes. The capacity of our batteries is normally specified at the “20 hour rate”, but since we are discharging them faster than that (25 amps/hour), the actual capacity is something lower than what the specs say – in the case of the 2017 Aspire battery it will be reduced from 390 amp-hours to about 378 amp-hours (using this calculator). Also note that very high consumption items such as the microwave or a hair dryer, even if only run for short periods, will create an additional and noticeable impact on capacity.
So now the game becomes how do we reduce that 25 amp-hour drain rate? How can we conserve enough power to increase the time between generator runs?
If you haven’t already you will need to learn some new procedures, and some new ways of doing things when boondocking. Some of you will consider these inconveniences – or worse – but most will eventually adapt. Consider it a challenge. One of the benefits of going thru the process will be learning what we all mostly just take for granted in regard to power and perhaps provide some insight into the little things we can do to be “greener” and reduce our carbon footprint.
Power saving tips:
Many of these tips might save just a small amount of power, but all those small savings add up! The number in parenthesis for some items are the amount of power in amps/hour (from readings taken on our 2013 Aspire).
#1 Power Saving Tip:
The biggest consumer of power on board is the residential style fridge and this one tip will save you the most power. For Aspire/Insignia with the smaller battery bank this will likely be your best hope of making it thru quiet hours. Get ready this may be a shocker – TURN OFF THE FRIDGE. Yep, not kidding, have done it often.
EVEN BETTER, turn off the INVERTER entirely (from the magnum panel over the door). Not all day, just overnight from bedtime until you get up. Turning off the inverter is the same as turning off the breakers as mentioned further below, this kills all the vampire loads from the TV’s and other things, plus it also shuts down the fridge and saves a good deal of additional power (3-4 amps/hour) that the inverter self-consumes just being on. Best time to do this is right before bedtime, then turn it back on when you rise. If the weather is cool you can do it for longer periods.Avoid opening the fridge doors after it has been turned off.
If you keep the doors closed, in our experience the temp in the morning will only be a couple of degrees warmer, worst case. We use this wireless thermometer with alarm to keep tabs on the fridge and freezer temps and can recommend it highly (if you do get one, buy four lithium AA batteries for the sensors as Alkaline won’t work well at the low temperatures in the freezer).
The actual fridge power consumption will vary by make and model but roughly will be about 13 amps when it is running, if it runs 40% of the time that’s about 5.2 amps/hour savings, PLUS with the inverter off it’s self-consumption is another 3.5 amps/hour. Now add in all the audio/video gear (3.4 amps/hour), microwave clock, etc. and the total savings will be about 12 amps/hour! That cuts “normal” consumption almost in half and Aspire/Insignia’s should easily make it thru quiet hours, plus your batteries will not be as deeply discharged and it will take less generator run time to recharge them.
The next three tips will enhance your ability to leave the fridge/inverter turned off:
- If you have empty space in your freezer fill it up with bags of ice cubes (to use while the ice maker is off) and/or bottles of water. The fuller the better. This is an old sailors practice, the frozen water will act as block ice and help keep everything frozen when the fridge is turned off. Modern fridges have pretty good insulation. Make sure you do this well before arriving at at your site so everything has time to freeze.
- If you have empty space in the fridge, fill it up too. Again bottles of water, food or whatever. The larger the cold mass in the fridge the better it will hold its temp when the compressor is off. Again be sure to do this at least a day or two ahead of arrival.
- When the inverter/fridge is off, refrain from opening any of the doors.
More power saving tips:
- Those of you with a propane cooktop, USE IT instead of the microwave (unless the generator is running).
- If you have a gas grill, USE IT instead of your microwave.
- Whenever you need to run a high power consuming device like the microwave or a hair dryer START UP THE GENERATOR. No exceptions! The microwave or a hair dryer will draw 150-200 amps from your batteries and you will probably trigger the Auto Generator Start (AGS) anyway (remember Peukert?). It is much better to just let the generator handle those high loads. Plan your usage of these high power devices outside of quiet hours.
- Set the SHORE setting on the magnum panel to 50 Amps to ensure the batteries charge at the maximum rate possible when the generator is running.
- Minimize all lighting to just what is absolutely needed, particularly incandescent fixtures of which the older coaches may have several. For example the dinette light on our 2013 Aspire consumed over 4 amps/hour. LED lights consume less power of course but it is not insignificant if you have them all on.
- Dimming any lights (LED or Incandescent) you are using will save power.
- The Microwave cooktop light on most of the older coaches is a high wattage halogen incandescent – keep it off. (savings = 3.5 amps/hour)
- If your coach has incandescent reading lamps, consider purchasing a battery powered LED book light to use instead.
- Shut off the Aquahot “Electric” switch unless the generator is running. This switch runs a 12 volt relay so uses battery power even if the shore power is off (savings = 0.2 amps/hour).
- Turn off the Aquahot burner switch when it is not needed.
- If you are not using your TV’s or audio equipment, turn off the breaker that powers them to eliminate the “vampire loads”. These breakers are in the forward most of the two AC breaker panels above the driver seat. During the day when away from the coach, we usually turn off all of them except the “Inverter Main” & “Refer”. (Savings = 3.4 amps/hour and that’s with all this stuff OFF, TV’s when on for example will consume 4-8 amps/hour depending on size). Since all the AC outlets will now be dead, any mobile devices that need charging should be plugged into a 12v receptacle at the dash.
- Put your fridge in “Energy Saver” mode and/or turn off the “Humidity Control”. This varies by fridge model but generally disables heating elements that keep condensation at bay and/or reduces the defrost cycles. (savings = 1 amp/hour)
- Shut off your ice maker. Believe it or not the ice mold has a heater in it and will draw substantial power every time it cycles. The more ice you use the more power will be consumed. If you fill your freezer with bags of ice as suggested in the first tip you won’t need the ice maker anyway.
How long should the generator run?
It has been calculated and/or observed that an Aspire/Insignia (which has one battery charger, the Anthem & CS have two) will put back roughly 75 amps per hour, so most of us will need to run it for about 2 hours every cycle to put back the 150 amp-hours we used up. This time will vary depending on how good (or bad) you are at conserving and a number of other factors.
What should I set my Auto Generator Start (AGS) Start@ Voltage?
You may need to experiment a bit with this. There are a lot of variables including firmware levels on the AGS that come into play. I would start with 11.9 volts or 12.0 volts for pre 2017 Aspire/Insignia with wet cell batteries and 12.1 for 2017 models with AGM batteries. The problem I had with the above values on my 2013 Aspire is nuisance starts of the generator if I was not taking any power saving measures. The battery voltage tends to get depressed well below it’s “at rest” value when under load and that issue is magnified by the smaller Aspire/Insignia battery. I had to set mine down to 11.6 volts or lower to keep the genset from kicking on every hour or so. However, once we started shutting down the fridge/inverter overnight, the 11.9 setting worked pretty well for us.
Water conservation tips:
As you probably already know you should arrive at Quartzsite with you fuel tank topped off, full propane if you have it, full water and totally empty gray and black tanks. Most of us will have no problem with our black tanks for a week or so. The grey water tank however is a different story and will fill the quickest. The fresh water supply will go fast too, so bring supplemental drinking water in bottles (and fill up that fridge!).
- When filling your fresh water tank before arrival, keep filling (slowly) even after the SeeLevel gauge says 100% – the tanks have an irregular shape and there is plenty more room in there after the gauge says 100%. When you start to see water trickle out of the overflow/vent (passenger side of wet bay under the coach) the tank is really full.
- If you have a bath and a half floorplan, the Aspire/Insigna half bath toilet is probably a manual foot pedal unit and is very economical and controllable in regard to water consumption. On the other hand, the Techma toilet in the rear bath is a total water hog – designate it for “emergency use only” and you will greatly extend your fresh water supply and available black water tankage. The electric toilet in the half bath on Anthem/Cornerstone models falls somewhere in between in regard to water consumption.
- Dump clean water (say from cooking) outside on the ground instead of down the drain.
- Buy some collapsible water containers like these to transport water from the BLM water spigots back to the coach. They fold up after use and can be stored easily. You can add water to the fresh tank from these using the gravity fill on the passenger side wet bay door (if you have one) or via the “Country Fill” at the wet bay driver side. “Country Fill” is basically the same process as winterizing. Find the clear pickup tube that would be used for antifreeze, set the valve where the clear hose attaches so the lever points toward the hose, now set the “Tank Fill/City Water” valve to “Tank Fill” and turn on the fresh water pump – the water should be pumped into the tank. To me this is a lot easier than trying to pour a 40 pound container of water into the gravity fill. If you have never used the country fill, you may want to try it out before arrival. I also recommend you sanitize the pickup hose by feeding some bleach water thru it. For that matter, since you will be depending exclusively on tank water, it may be prudent to sanitize the tank and your entire plumbing system (and then change the filters) at this time as well.
- When showering, take “navy showers”, don’t let the water run continuously! We added a shut off valve to our shower head to make this easy.
- When showering we find we use more water waiting for the water to get hot than we use to take the shower! To mitigate this put aside a clean container to collect the shower water while waiting for it to get hot. Later, pump it back into the fresh tank as described above, use it for other purposes, or dump it outside if you are concerned with sanitation. If you shower every day this will greatly extend the grey tank capacity. We use a collapsible pail that we keep on board dedicated to this purpose.
- Most of us will probably use disposable dinnerware and utensils, but still generate items that must be washed. Consider that the dishwasher (if you have one) uses only 2 gallons of water on the Normal-Eco or Fast-Eco cycles. This is much less water than it would take to wash dishes by hand (equivalent to running the faucet 1-2 minutes) and the results are far better. We will probably run the dishwasher every 2nd or 3rd day. Of course the generator should be running during dishwasher operation so plan to run it during a charge cycle.
- Arrive with several days of clean clothes and do not plan on using your washing machine. The washer will consume significant amounts of water and fill your gray tank rapidly.
A few usage facts about our 8 day stay at Quartzsite Entegra 2017 in our 2017 Aspire:
- Our Black tank (40 gallons) was only 37% full when we departed.
- Our Gray tank (60 gallons) was only 46% full when we departed.
- Our fresh water tank (~100 gallons) was still 50% full when we departed. On one occasion we used our two collapsible water jugs to get water and added about 8 gallons back to the tank. We took “navy” showers almost every day. We also captured our “cold” pre-shower water and put that back into the tank. We used the dishwasher twice.
- We typically ran the generator twice a day for about two hours each time. Our batteries never got below 30% discharged. Our 800 amp-hour (upgraded from stock, same as the Anthem/Cornerstone) house battery bank was easily capable of carrying us thru the night. The Auto Generator Start system worked well.
- Between generator runs and heating via the Aquahot (it was cold!) we burned 35 gallons of diesel fuel. The generator was most likely the biggest consumer of fuel.
- A 800-1000 watt Solar array would have reduced the generator run time significantly and saved a lot of fuel. Probably once every other day or so in sunny weather.
For more boondocking tips these folks are experts and have lots of good general advice, here are a couple of relevant posts:
See you at Quartszite!
Awesome tips, we have a 2015 Aspire with 1600 watts of solar and 900AH of AGM Lifeline batteries setup for boondocking. The country fill idea is one we use often, never have seen anyone else document it so well. Great article!
Thanks! WOW, 1600 watts!!! I would be VERY interested to hear more about that, what brand/model panels you used and how you arranged them! Thanks for sharing!!!
Great write up. I just printed it for the future when I’m hunting down my power hogs!
Glad to help Mark!
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Hi, have you looked at wind vanes for the RV?
Any thoughts? Seems more reasonable than solar but just looking at it.
Not sure if a 2017 Aspire is in the cards but I sure like the set up. Wish it had a Vega Touch but being able to boon dock for extended time w/o running genny all the time is the goal.
Hi Tom, wind is a potentially great option, especially out west. We saw a few rigs at Quartzsite this past winter with them. We do have some experience with them from the marine side. Let’s just say if you picked up a mooring or anchored up wind of me and had a wind generator I’d be looking to move somewhere else. The noise can be really annoying, although supposedly there have been some notable improvements in blade design lately. Another issue is vibration noises transmitting through the rig, at least on boats, but if attached to an RV it would probably be the same deal. Probably why we saw a few setups at Quartzsite that were isolated from the rig. There are also some electrical things that might need to be done differently depending on the windmill, they must be controlled in strong winds or they will self destruct and if the batteries get full, usually you need a “diversion load” of some sort. Finally solar can be on your roof and just silently working all the time, a wind setup would need to be deployed when you are not moving and stored somewhere when you are. Not that it isn’t a potential good option, you just need to think about some of the details and if it would work for you. I’ve always thought having both solar and wind would provide an ideal stream of off grid energy.
Thanks for the great article! We are getting ready to head out on our first long trip in our 2015 Entegra Anthem – a 10 week trip through South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming. Although we have many reserved sites with full hookups and some with electric only there are a few state parks (e.g. Makoshika, Montana) and national parks (e.g. Teddy Roosevelt National Park) that have no hook-ups where I would like to stay. Worried that it may be too hot to go without AC so still figuring that out.
Petrina, congrats on the coach and hope you have a fun and fabulous time on your trip. The itinerary sounds awesome! It sounds like you have planned well, but yes if it’s hot and no shore power that either means doing some sweating, or some long generator run times – best to arrive with a full tank of fuel, assume your 12.5KW genset will consume about 0.7 gals/hour at half load and 1.3 gals/hour at full load (Onan QD spec sheet). We have the 10KW genset and I think we burned thru about 30 gallons in 8 days of dry camping and that was without running any AC – just battery charging time.